The following was sent to Ron Paul on 9/23/07…
Lets see if and when they take the time to respond.
EMAIL TO RON PAUL 2008
It has been three weeks since I called your office in Washington. After speaking with two different Ladies, I was put through to a man named Daniel. I had asked several important questions I wanted answered to write my blog, and both women did not want to answer any tough questions. Daniel did not answer, and I left a message on his voice mail. I’ve since written my blog, which is just an opinion piece, but I did explain, after waiting for about 10 days for a return call, and leaving another voice message, I was forced to just write my opinion. My blog is at www.citizenrock.org/blog/
If you don’t like my opinion, feel free to call me, as I am a fair man and will be more than happy to put whatever your response may be on my blog. I have just a couple questions;
1. Since Ron Paul voted consistently against the War in Iraq, how would he have closed the Terrorists Training Camps in Iraq?
2. Since Ron Paul was against The War in Iraq, does that mean he would rather Saddam still be in power today?
3. Since Ron Paul voted against The Patriot Act, how would he have tracked down and gather information on Terrorists in the Country.
4. Why is Ron Paul promoting fear on the American People, trying to get them to fear their Government more than they fear The Terrorists who want to cut their heads off?
If you’d like to answer these questions by email, feel free. But whatever you write, be advised that I may use it word for word on my blog.
Also, I’ve heard all the quotes from Lincoln, Madison and many others you quote. Know this, I’m not some paranoid pot smoking freak that fears his Government. And quoting these great men makes great press…but our Founding Fathers did not live in this time, and have to deal with an Enemy such as we are. Our Founding Fathers had no way of imagining Cell Phones, Lap Tops and all this modern form of communication that Terrorists use. So, no matter how great and wonderful those quotes were 200 years ago, things have changed much since then.
Personally, I find it very offensive that Ron Paul is trying to spread fear among the American People for Political Gain.
Bill Gillen
602-330-7851
#1 by ANDREA on September 23rd, 2007
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If we had listened to the sage advice of our Founding Fathers, we wouldn’t be forced to live in this world we’ve created.
People like you frighten me far more than the “terrorists” do, because you are really the people who hate me for my freedoms.
#2 by Hotchney on September 23rd, 2007
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As a Ron Paul fan, I’ll take a stab at answering these questions.
1. Terrorist training camps in Iraq? Since when were there terrorists camps in Iraq pre-invasion? Evidence please
2. Yes. I would rather have Saddam in power today then having 500 billion dollars spent killing him. If we really wanted him dead, we could do it in a lot of different, much cheaper ways.
3. We could have stopped 9/11 with the intel available. The problem wasn’t that we couldn’t get info; it was the size of the bureaucracy that prevented us from stopping the attack. Our intelligence gathering should be streamlined, not made larger. I don’t support the patriot act (a bill no one even bothered to read before passing – to me that is the most disturbing part) but it is not something I really care about either. i would contend we can fight terrorism without violating the law.
4. I answer #4 with a question: Why are you attempting to persuade everyone march in lockstep with the neocons disastrous foreign policy exploits? Why shouldn’t we be afraid of the government when they have tripled spending since 2000? To me, that is frightening. Put terrorism in perspective and read Pat Buchanan’s latest column on Gen. Powell’s comments. You probably still think they want to kill us for our freedom’s don’t you? You’re a riot. I hope the campaign doesn’t call you back. Why would Ron waste his time answering your questions? Why would he try to convince a liberal fascist to vote for him?
#3 by bill gillen on September 23rd, 2007
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First of all, I have a video from Homeland Security that does prove there were Terrorist Training Camps in Iraq.
Second; as you Ron Paul Nuts love to quote from Our Founding Fathers, I quote Jefferson and Franklin…”Those who would deny Freedom to others, do not deserve it for themselves. We Freed an Oppressed People, and it just burns your ass.
Third; I agree with you, we could have stopped 9/11 if the FBI, CIA and everyone else involved in Our Security had been able to share information. Because of Bill Clinton, they couldn’t communicate with each other.
Fourth; I appreciate your input and opinion. I believe in Freedom of Speech, and I’ll not call you any childish names such as you did too me. I’ve never had any call me a “Liberal Fascist” before. You obviously are angry because I refuse to live in the same fear you do of Our Government. If you had taken the time to read more of my blog, you realize how childish you appear. I am a card carrying Republican and you don’t know me to make such a statement. You sound very childish.
#4 by bill gillen on September 23rd, 2007
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I want to take your Freedoms away? I served my Country SIX years to Protect your Freedoms. Have you served in The Military? I doubt it. On this blog you are not required to join to leave a comment, and I can’t remember ever removing anyones comments for any reason. You are welcome to express yourself…Your Freedom of Speech. You choose to live in fear that Big Brother is going to come after you. I don’t share that fear, so you claim I want to take away your Freedom. What really upsets you, is that I’d dare say anything about that little goat roping runt from Texas who is trying to spread fear among the American people for political gain. Hey…I think Big Brother is right outside your house…better be careful…lmao
#5 by Hotchney on September 23rd, 2007
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Well, I’m a mite surprised you’ve never been called a liberal fascist before. In analysis, the views you’re expounding could only meet that political criterion. I would regard you as moderately fascists due to your statist demagogueing on terrorism and such subjects as witnessed in this blog and others you’ve written. As for the liberal part, your whole idea that we must run willy-nilly around the world spreading democracy and nationbuild, as per Rudy’s advice, is merely a poor rip-off Woodrow Wilson, Bill Clinton, Sean Hannity and all those who advocate extreme interventionism. BTW, check out Ron Paul and Sean Hannity’s disagreement after the first debate where Mr. Hannity says we have a moral obligation to free people around the world, no matter what the cost is to our country.
I personally live in no fear of the government. Some of what they do frighten’s me but I am not fearful of them. However, as I used to be a cheerleader for Bush, I am not anymore and think his neocon foreign policy is absolutely insane. You seem to agree with it. Name calling? Hardly. I’m just calling it as it is.
#6 by bill gillen on September 23rd, 2007
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“de oppresso liber”
Do you know what that means? It is Latin for “Freedom Fighter”
America was the great experiment…the first of its kind. Now, about 31% of the Worlds Population live in Countries that Support Freedom. We disagree, and that is what makes this Country great, we don’t all have to think alike. It is my belief that ALL people in the World should be Free. Whether you, Ron Paul or anyone else likes it or not, Freedom is on the march. I served 3 years on the East-West Border in Germany before The Wall came down. I’ve seen people caged inside that fenced, and I felt sorry for them. When The Wall came down, my kids saw me cry…one of the few times they ever witnessed that. You want your Freedom…but you don’t think anyone else in The World deserves it?
#7 by Gabriel on September 23rd, 2007
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
-Thomas Jefferson
Does that just mean for the United States? Im confused…:?
hey if Ron is going to quote people from 200 years ago i will too. lets take a look at John Locke, sence Jefferson got alot of his ideas from his philosphies.
“All mankind… being all equal and independent, no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty or possessions. ”
Now dont tell me that being opressed by a tryant, who fucks with your rights in the first place, is not a good enough reason to “liberate the opressed”
do you even realzie sir, what that guy did to his people so HE could live in a golden palace? wow….
#8 by Hotchney on September 23rd, 2007
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I’m pleased freedom is on the march. I too wish for all to be free. I value my freedom immensely and I am surprised you support the patriot act if you truly are so vehement in your support of freedom. Only we can take our freedom away; no Islamofascist can do that. They may attempt to convice us that we should not be free by bombing us but that should not be a deterrent towards the manifestation of our freedom.
However, freedom goes to those who desire it. One cannot be free if they do not want to be free. We did not become free because we were forced to be free; we are free because we desired to be so. We can encourage people to be free and we must set an example of freedom. But we must not force freedom on anyone. It is hypocritical beyond all stretches of the imagination.
#9 by Al on September 23rd, 2007
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I thought I was the only Ron Paul fan who posted on this blog. Cool
I am amazed, AMAZED; at the gullibility of the average Bill. Doesn’t anyone realize what our country is doing? I know that September 11 was a catastrophe of unprecedented magnitude. We as Americans wanted BAD to give retribution and avenge that day. O how I wanted to see Osama Bin Laden strung up at ground zero! There was not a group of people in the world that did not want us to go after those terrorists. But what have we done, and why? I am appalled that our representatives passed such a thing as the “Patriot Act”. I am not even the slightest bit ashamed to say that I was against the Iraq war from the beginning. I wanted Osama, not Iraq! But MY O MY, What happened to our country?
It fry’s me that I am now considered a liberal because I think this war was and is stupid. We were not attacked by Iraq! The Hijackers were mostly Saudi! They were funded from Pakistan! Why have we thrown away our Constitution and attacked a sovereign country out of “preventive” fear? It is retarded for people to say you are not Republican, or that you are not Conservative, or that you do not support the troops, if you hate this stupid war in Iraq. What happened to our country? Why don’t people use their brains? How in heavens name is a preemptive war with Iran even being considered?
“Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing” – Dwight D Eisenhower
Now who’s afraid of the big bad terrorist, and why? What is with this fear that it will happen again in our country? The Neo-cons are practically begging for it to happen! Get over it people! Do the best you can, and require that your government let you. Don’t let 19 terrorist’s, and whoever was funding and supporting them, make you give up your freedom, or privacy! NO, not in the slightest bit! Yes there was a terrorist attack in 2001, yes it was a big deal, but we as a country of freemen should be stronger and not weaker because of it. We as individual Americans should be more determined to be free, and independent, and secure in our personal effects. If we really are, why are you so afraid of another attack? If our resolve was not broken, why are you afraid? Why have you let them take away your sense of security? Why in the world would you support the Patriot Act?
I personally have not, and I will not let the terrorist’s or the media make me fear anyone. I am LESS afraid of terrorist’s now than I was pre-911. Call that whatever you want, but I call you fearful wimps’ cowards! Burn that stupid miss-named “Patriot Act”, and Get out of Iraq, NOW! Let the puppet government we have set up take responsibility for what happens now. Let them nationalize the oil. Sell them supplies, and weapons, and then buy oil from them. If there is internal fighting, get out of it! Let them handle it, they are not children. They will never be a sovereign nation until they take care of their own. Let them do it! If we have military servicemen or contractors who have committed crimes there, let them be punished there, by their laws, even if they get executed for it. There will NEVER be a free and democratic Iraq, unless they as a people do it themselves. So GET OUT! (Or make it a state, with representation in OUR government)
Government doesn’t give us our rights, the Constitution doesn’t give us our rights; God gives us our rights. The only good government is one that protects rights, not dictates rights. And anyone who thinks anyone else in the WHOLE WORLD should have fewer rights than they have is one who supports slavery. Think about it!
Bill if you think that MUSLIMS are the threat to our freedoms, you need to WAKE UP!
Never has the people of the United States been more divided than now. Not even before the Civil War. 9-11 unified us for a moment, but then the Iraq war has devided us more than ever. It is amazing that a majority of Democrats voted to go to war with Iraq, but then changed their minds after a while. It is stupid that a majority of Republicans criticized the Bosnian war, but now support the Iraq war. As if it is not the principle of the thing but rather who the boss is that makes the difference. The two parties do not care, really, about their own principles. When I say care, I mean put their money where their mouth is.
That is, everyone except Ron Paul.
I don’t agree with everything he stands for, nor do I think he can change things as drastically as he would like. But you cannot knock his integrity, or his devotion to principle. That alone should get your vote.
GO RON PAUL!
#10 by Gabriel on September 24th, 2007
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I think your missing my point, so ill tell it to you from my personal experience’s. I was there, I served a tour with 2/5 Marines Gulf Company, in Iraq. Ive seen the real deal. Those people are were dying to be free, from their government. And they are extremely great full that we liberated them. They could not do it on their own because they were to weak. I don’t think you would get it because you most likely have never served your country. You don’t have the balls to. You statements prove it.
Patriot act, why the hell are you bitching about it. If you have nothing to hide then whats the problem?
Pull your heads out of your asses and wake up!
Would you rather fight them in the streets of Boston or in the streets of Baghdad. Were on there door step or in there house rather. On there playing field, stopping their training programs, and shutting them down. Iraq is a Terrorist junction pool, they come from everywhere to fight Americans there. if it keeps them out of Boston or new york, id rather it be that way. Our Marines and Soldiers are prepared to fight for your right to sit back here and bitch about pointless shit. They know how to defend themselves and push on the offensive. They just need your support of their mission.
If you dont belive me gimme a call, im a recruiter, and i would be honored to have you go fight over there. 303-910-6273
#11 by Gabriel on September 24th, 2007
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I think your missing my point, so ill tell it to you from my personal experience’s. I was there, I served a tour with 2/5 Marines Gulf Company, in Iraq. Ive seen the real deal. Those people are were dying to be free, from their government. And they are extremely great full that we liberated them. They could not do it on their own because they were to weak. I don’t think you would get it because you most likely have never served your country. You don’t have the balls to. You statements prove it.
Patriot act, why the hell are you bitching about it. If you have nothing to hide then whats the problem?
Pull your heads out of your asses and wake up!
Would you rather fight them in the streets of Boston or in the streets of Baghdad. Were on there door step or in there house rather. On there playing field, stopping their training programs, and shutting them down. Iraq is a Terrorist junction pool, they come from everywhere to fight Americans there. if it keeps them out of Boston or new york, id rather it be that way. Our Marines and Soldiers are prepared to fight for your right to sit back here and bitch about pointless shit. They know how to defend themselves and push on the offensive. They just need your support of their mission.
If you don’t believe me gimme a call, im a recruiter, and i would be honored to have you go fight over there. 303-910-6273
#12 by Gabriel on September 24th, 2007
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wow Al, im just goign to say to you that you can go fuck yourself…your willing to just let those troops be exictuted… your an asshole. besides all the politics in all this, that fucked up. tells me what kind of person you really are….
#13 by bill Gillen on September 24th, 2007
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Pay close attention Al. When we were attacked at Pearl Harbor by Japan, we did not immediately attack them back, but rather America jumped with both feet into the WWII by attacking Germany. Where was your “Peacenik” ass when Clinton sent Our Troops to Bosnia? We were never attacked by Bosnia.??? People are so worried about The Patriot Act, and I don’t understand why, unless they are doing something illegal. What are you Al? Some kind of Drug Dealer or something? Before you make a statement about how divided we are, go visit The Lincoln Museum in Springfield, IL.. In 1868 we were so divided in this Country, The Democrat Klan Members murdered 1,300 Republicans. And then you make a statement like that? You need to study some history. Ron Paul is a JOKE, and playing on the fears of Americans about the Patriot Act…and he is doing it for political gain.
#14 by Bill Gillen on September 24th, 2007
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Semper Fi Bro!!! You have Freedom of Expression in America…and I couldn’t have said it better!
#15 by Bill Gillen on September 24th, 2007
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How easy it is for you to sit in your comfortable little world and act so brave. People that have only known Oppression often do not know anything else…and live in constant fear of their lives. You make me sick. You remind me of the coward that sits in their car and watches a woman being beaten to death and does not do anything to try and stop it. If your neighbors house caught on fire, I guess you wouldn’t call the Fire Department because…it is not your house that is burning. Do you realize how you sound?
Some people need to be taught how to read, just like some people need to be taught about Freedom, … something you take for granted.
#16 by Anonymous on September 24th, 2007
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Oh please, Gabriel. Your macho bullshit is incredibly transparent. You sound like a bleeding heart liberal – except instead of spreading peace and love, it’s freedoms that’s got your goat. When will you wake up and realize that freedom cannot be spread by force? Give me one example where this has worked. It never has. It never will. these people are not ready for democracy and while you seem ready to invest money in useless nation-building bound to be met with failure, I am not. So go ahead, go to Iraq, lead these “weak” people to freedom. Just don’t expect me to foot the bill.
While I have a historical perspective on freedom, you choose the more myopic view, the one where you choose to overlook centuries of history, the one where you cherry-pick your sordid points and present a half-baked, altogether naive and useless perspective. So stop it. Your name calling is both inaccurate not to mention it amounts to nothing more than a facade covering your ignorance.
I used to support Iraq. I used to think as you do. I don’t anymore. It’s hard to change your view when you’re so set on something that looks so appetizing. But I guarantee you, one day you’ll agree with me. Not on everything, but on the points I have made here and above, just as I agreed with someone not too recently. It’s just a matter of when…
#17 by Hotchney on September 24th, 2007
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I didn’t mean to post that last post as anonymous. It’s me.
#18 by bill on September 24th, 2007
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Does your brain work? Gabriel is a Marine; how many Marines have you met that are Liberals? Ron Paul “claims” to be for Liberty, yet he wants to take away your Right to choose whether you want an abortion or not. When has Freedom been spread by the end of a gun? I guess The Revolutionary War was my imagination. We would all be speaking German right now if it wasn’t for people like Gabriel. You don’t support your troops and obviously don’t care about anyone but yourself…and you damn sure don’t care about this Country.
#19 by Anonymous on September 24th, 2007
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Actually Ron Paul supports states deciding on abortion – as the constitution stipulates (see the 10th amendment – I’m sure you have no idea what the constitution says). I didn’t say Gabriel was a liberal, although based on his previous comments I would guess he’s a neocon – a former liberal who became disgusted with aspects of the liberal movement and thus became a “conservative.” They aren’t really conservative – they just think they are and push an extremely liberal agenda (i.e nationbuilding – see Bill Clinton, etc).
Does your brain work? Why should I believe Gabriel’s a marine? Besides, what matter does it make? If he is, then I certainly appreciate his service. However, we are debating online where Gabriel and I can pretend to be whoever we choose to be. This is not a debate of qualitifcations; it is a debate of ideas. I’ve met many marines (both of my parents are professors at a military medical univerisity) and I’ve had the chance to talk with both soldiers and high ranking generals including General Schoomaker who now heads up the Walter Reed facility and is included in many high-up briefings.
To be quite honest, my experiences nor Gabriel’s matter in this discussion unless they translate into cogent points. Just because you have an emotional need for the people of Iraq to be free doesn’t mean it works like that. I suggest you wise up and logically analyze the situation.
Your points about Germany are valid in a very superficial sense. However, if you look back further to WWI, you realize the failure of the Weimar republic and that freedom was not brought to Japan and Germany until we had annihilated a great percentage of their respective populations. So I pose you this question: Is it worth annihilating a majority of the middle east to spread freedom and liberate them?
Also, with these countries, different problems are faced. They are muslims and in my opinion, democratic republic and Islam are not compatable at the moment. Islams core notion is submission. The democratic republic is not about submission but instead about the individual.
While your rhetoric about me not caring about our troops or our country is amusing, my perspective is one that is drawn from a nationalistic sense of self-preservation. We are going to go bankrupt if we continue to free people ad libitum around the world. We are going to lose more of our soldiers as we press our nose into more places it doesn’t belong. And what will the result be? To me there is not much hope of spreading freedom in the manner you advocate. It is wasteful and not in our country’s best interest.
As to Gabriel’s comment that we will be fighting them in Boston, this is silly. I’ve read America Alone (a book I’m sure you both draw a lot of your misguided conclusions from) and there is no way in hell this will happen. if we’re really serious about this, we need only stop letting people come to our country from “terrorist states” (as Ron Paul suggested after 9/11. Republicans thought this was a bad idea BTW) and enforce our borders more effectively.
If you’re going to bother responding at least attempt an argument instead of inane and inchoate talking points about how “I don’t care about the troops” or “how I don’t care about freedom” or how “I’m unpatriotic”.
#20 by bill on September 25th, 2007
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Very amusing. Do you think you’re some kind of moderator or something? You have inflated yourself to a status that you can tell people what they can say or cannot say? It is wonderful that Ron Paul is running for President. Do you know why? Because many of those Conspiracy believing Democrats will vote for Ron Paul. Anything that helps keep The Left from winning The Presidency is a good thing. Take your “Self Preserving” cowardly ass to The Polls and vote for Ron Paul. Let me ask you something…Do you find anything at all right with America? Supporting The Troops is not demanding their surrender. If we leave Iraq before Their Government is running smoothly, it will be viewed by The Muslim World as a defeat to America. I’ve known so many wimps like you through my life, you only care about yourself. You’d not even pick up the phone and call 911 if a stranger was being murdered. I know Gabriel, and I know where he works; he IS A MARINE. And when shit goes wrong, and lead is zipping around you while your overeducated cowardly ass is sobbing and crying for help…people like Gabriel, myself and many other Veterans will be taking it to the Enemy. And when the smoke clears, and the battle is over, you’ll drive by in your enviromentally safe car and criticize us. People who support Ron Paul are just Liberals who believe in all this conspiracy bullshit.
You don’t even have the guts to sign your name when you make a statement on this blog, let alone have the guts to defend this country. Amusing how you don’t say anything about how we won our freedom, by the end of a gun, from The Revolutionary War. Libertarians are amusing…they want good roads to drive on, a police and fire department to save them…but they don’t want to pay any taxes to support them. And it is easy to see where you get your views from.
#21 by Hotchney on September 25th, 2007
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Again, you do nothing more than name call and prove my points. I didn’t address the revolutionary war because I though my points above would illustrate the difference between FIGHTING for freedom and having freedom FORCED upon you, whether you want it or not. As for being a libertarian, I am not one. I am a recovering neoconservative who sees some sense in paleoconservatism and a little sense in libertarianism. While I agree with you that leaving Iraq now would be surrender, I don’t think there is a better option. Should we keep wasting money on something where at some point we will realize the futility of spreading freedom to people who aren’t ready for it in the sense that freedom-emboldening governments will not spring up in our wake? No. Yes, we can annihilate the middle east (again, you choose not to answer my question regarding your view on this).
I’m telling what you can and can’t say? Where is this? You mean where I say stop the stupid name calling and what not? You mean where I ask you to present an actual argument for your points?
As for conspiracy theories, I don’t buy them. Neither do most Ron Paul supporters although they are probably the most vocal ones.
As for leaving Iraq, I’m pretty torn on the issue myself. Logically, it makes more sense to leave. i don’t think we can accomplish what we set out to do and we are therefore only wasting money and lives. Emotionally, I hate to see the US lose. I want to win there just as much as you do. Unfortunately, I’m willing to bet you can’t even define victory. I can’t. Basically, my stance is unless we decide it makes sense to unleash hell on the middle east, we ought to come home and change our foreign policy. I suggest you read “Imperial Hubris.” I think you will find it both interesting and thought provoking. Although it doesn’t directly address Iraq, the principles it includes for fighting Islamofascism are relevant.
As for the left winning the presidency, it already has. George Bush is a neoliberal. What do you think is conservative about nationbuilding anyways? Why do you think all the republicans voted against Kosovo? What are you? Some kind of mental midget who can’t understand these aren’t conservative principles?
#22 by bill on September 25th, 2007
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It is simple…I love America, I love Freedom and support spreading freedom around the world. I support Our Soldiers wherever they are sent in The World. You on the other hand do not love or support anything but yourself. I would rather see us using our money to spread freedom, than prop up dictators around the world trying to buy their friendship through foreign aid. Ron Paul believes in Isolationism, that is very apparent. Look at how Doctors have screwed up the Health Care System…now you want to put a Doctor in The Oval Office? Sorry if I offended you…but I just tell it like I see it…and you sound like a cowardly ass.
#23 by Hotchney on September 25th, 2007
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Well, I wish you had loved your textbooks a little more so we could actually engage in political discourse. Unfortunately, it seems you missed most of your classes and didn’t read your books. Go play catch up and when you’re ready, come back and answer the questions I’ve posed. I don’t know much about the politics and history of the region but I know enough to make the assertions I propose. You can’t even back up your arguments for why we must liberate people. Is it because we’re all human being and God wishes for us to be free? Is it because the USA is great and we must spread our greatness by any means necessary? I shouldn’t have to make your arguments for you. if you’re going to bother blogging, at least understand your convictions and your positions. Yours are so muddled and illogical I don’t even know where to begin. I’m sick of beating this dead horse.
Doctors screwed up the health care system? Yeah right. That’s a laugh. Try politicians, lobbyists and big pharma. You probably don’t understand how free markets work so I won’t bother arguing with you over the benefits of free-market versus socialized medicine (which I’m sure you advocate). Well, if we have an obligation to feed all, why not give everyone healthcare too? How about food? What good is it being free if you can’t live? Why don’t we elect you so you can use our tax dollars to feed the whole world while we starve to death?
For a start, read this article by Pat Buchanan.
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55763
#24 by Hotchney on September 25th, 2007
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* typo in 2nd to last paragraph
Well, if we have an obligation to FREE* all, why not give everyone healthcare too? How about food? What good is it being free if you can’t live? Why don’t we elect you so you can use our tax dollars to feed the whole world while we starve to death?
#25 by bill on September 25th, 2007
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Your elitist attitude makes me sick. And if you took the time to read my blog you’d know I don’t support Socialized Medicine. I doubt our opinions differ on very many issues. What really bothers you is my opinion of Ron Paul. How dare I have an opinion that does not agree with you. You’ve insulted me, my Active Duty Military friends and every Veteran that has ever served this country. Sure, people like Gabriel and myself may not be able to split an Atom like someone of superior knowledge such as yourself…but in My America, all people have Freedom of Speech, not just College Educated Morons like yourself. If you don’t like what is on this blog…don’t bother coming here to further your Education. Before writing anymore comments on here, tell us how many years you served in The Military. I doubt you’ve ever served this country, you sound like one of those morons who just complain about everything and do nothing.
#26 by Hotchney on September 25th, 2007
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I’m sorry if I come off as elitist but your continual refusal to offer a reasonable explanation for your beliefs leaves me no other choice. How many years have I served in the military? 0. Do I plan on it? I’ve considered it. Have I really insulted everyone who ever served in the military? I doubt it seeing as I’m merely stating variant positions that Ron Paul takes on foreign policy. He must really offend the military seeing as he received the most military donations last quarter. Oh yeah, he also served in the military… By the way, who do you support for president?
Does it annoy me that you don’t agree with Ron Paul? No. It does annoy me that you’re unreasonable and have put no thought into where you stand on the issues.
#27 by bill on September 25th, 2007
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Before you answered, I knew you had never served your country. And I’ve read the same thing, about last quarter. Claims like that don’t really mean anything, because it’s just how you want to phrase the claim. From what I understand most Veterans Groups support John McCain. That is not my choice, as I live in Arizona and though I voted for McCain in the past, I will no longer do so. I am a jingo…and will probably vote for Fred Thompson. We must win this War in Iraq, or we will appear weak in the eyes of the Muslim World. The financial cost of the war is nothing compared to what it will cost us in human life when this enemy follows us home. If the time comes, (God forbid) that we pull out and this enemy starts attacking our schools and shopping malls…you’ll realize then how you should have supported Our Troops and fought the war in the Terrorists backyard…not ours. Ron Paul and the people who work for him are Cowards, they only want to speak with those who will serve them sugar coated softballs. They don’t want to have to answer the tough questions by thinking Americans like myself. I’ve tried for a month now, to just get someone in his Organization to shed some light on a few issues, and they are the most secretive of all the people running. Note; when I called and asked questions, I was respectful and polite. All I got was, “I don’t think I’m the right person to answer that question…let me put you off on **** and maybe they can answer it.” Again and again…it is just a run around. It takes more to run this country than quoting many of our founding fathers. Ask Ross Perot, the Straw Dog candidate that helped get Clinton elected twice by splitting the Republican Vote. Amusing isn’t it, that Shillary Clinton is running…and now we have another Republican (RINO) trying to divide the Republican Vote…hmmm Do you really think Ron Paul has a chance, because only about 4% of the American People think so. A vote for Ron Paul is jist a vote to help get Hillary elected.
#28 by Hotchney on September 26th, 2007
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If a vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Hillary, so be it. Right now, neither party is advocating our country’s best interests and the republicans are the only ones who ever will. Perhaps if Hillary is elected then the republicans will straighten the party out.
As for being a jingo, do you even know what that means? It means you basically love war. Well, since you apparently do and are clearly not a thinking American, I guess it makes sense.
Who makes up this bullshit about the enemy following us home? In what? Their navy? Maybe if we had followed Ron Paul’s advice and ended immigration from terrorists states, we might not have to fear terrorism at home.
Do you actually know anything about Fred Thompson? No. You’ve heard maybe one thing (he supports the war) and know nothing. Your beliefs are all driven by ignorant self-aggrandizing emotions that only serve to make you feel better about yourself.
Fighting in the terrorists backyard? You’re so ignorant it’s almost hilarious. Except, you’ll be voting so it really isn’t. Did you know that Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein were virulent enemies and that bin Laden had led some initiatives to have him overthrown? Did you know our country was allies with both Saddam and bin Laden during the early 80s until bin Laden declared holy war on us for invading the arabian peninsula? Do you know that most arab governments are hated by their people and the people hate us for supporting them?
No. You don’t. You are a know-nothing jingo who doesn’t bother learning about the enemy we’re facing and instead relies on emotions to guide positions that are intellectully bankrupt and misguided. This war will not be won by people like you; it will be lost by people like you. Napoleon said know your enemy. You couldn’t pretend to if you tried
#29 by Gabriel on September 27th, 2007
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Holy dog shit! You claim you know everything about the enemy from shoe size to dick size… but yet you haven’t had the chance to talk to the enemy, You haven’t seen death, nor have you seen the life over there. how dare you say jack shit about how they hate us for helping them.
- Just because you chose to stay home and suck off mommies tit and go to school doesn’t mean jack. YOU HAVEN’T BEEN THERE.
Stop Drawing false conclusions and pulling shit out of your ass that doesn’t make any sense .
I would think a 13 month tour would be a long enough time to be acquainted with the enemy.
#30 by Hotchney on September 27th, 2007
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So what if I haven’t been there. I haven’t been to the moon either and I still know things about it.I haven’t been to Germany but I still know about the Nazis. By your analysis, Sean Penn probably knows more about the Iraq war than does Bill, the moderator. Sean Penn after all has been to Iraq.
If the Arabs love us so much, then why do so many polls indicate otherwise? Why do they attack us? Why do they sympathize with suicide bombing?
Oh, I forgot. It’s because they hate our freedoms. How silly of me.
With all this tough talk, I’ll bet you haven’t even been over there. You’re a recruiter after all and recruiters usually don’t see combat until their recruiting stint is over. Don’t lie to me. I know how the military works. Stop your grandstanding; it only makes you look like a tool.
#31 by bill gillen on September 28th, 2007
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If you can’t tell…you are really starting to annoy me. A “Jingo” is someone who believes in a STRONG Foreign Policy. Not a weak, stick your head in the sand Isolationist like Ron Paul. I deleted the last response I sent to you, as I wrote it when I was real tired. You are an Anti-American, cowardly little wimp. You wouldn’t make a good sized pimple on a real mans ass. Why don’t you join the Military and make those Liberal Statements about Our Soldiers? I’m sure some DI will straighten out your Anti-American way of thinking. You claim to be educated but don’t know what a “Jingo” is???
#32 by Gabriel on September 29th, 2007
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Fuck you man, I joined when I was 18, after 9/11 because I wanted revenge on those fuckers. I love this country, and as long as I live I will fight to protect it and its people.Ill bleed on that flag to keep it red if i have to. I am willing to die for that. ive been in the Marine Corps for 6 years now, and am currently finishing up my 8 year commitment with recruiting. Call Marine Corps Recruiting Command and you’ll find out that recruiting duty is only assigned for 2 years. Ive shead my sweat and blood for 6 years and ive seen two of my best friends get carried home in caskets because they had the balls to make the ultimate sacrifice. Myself was wounded by mortar fire in 06′ while with 2/5G.Co 1MD. Ive sence recieved a Purpil Heart and the Navy and Marine Corps Achivement with a Gold Star. Im still kicken though.
Dont go around saying I dont know what I am talking about, because I do. Ive been around the block. War is a terrible thing, and I believe that there are ways to avoid it but sometimes its the only option. Men will die, and innocent people will die too. War is hell, and it is part of human nature. However I fight to protect the intrest and freedoms of the american people, and for people like you to sit back and critisize me for what I do is very upsetting. I fight for the American Constitiution, and will defend America form enemies foriegn and domestic.
Now if you seriously dont beleive me thats your deal. I have my honor and my pride and it will always be clean. You can believe what you want. thats they joy of the freedoms in our counrty, but realize that it not the entire “Arab” population that hates us. Its Al-Qaeda and the Muslum Radicals who wage holy war upon us for no apparent reason that hate us. Read up on Al-Qaeda idealology. Its interesting. But anyways, in reality the people over there for the most part are very nice. They are just like us. They live simple lives but they live in fear of Al-Qaeda……
well I think this topic is just well talked about…. were beating a dead horse…..THEND>
#33 by Hotchney on September 29th, 2007
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jingo |ˈji ng gō|
noun ( pl. -goes) dated chiefly derogatory
a vociferous supporter of policy favoring war, esp. in the name of patriotism.
I guess there’s numerous meanings…
#34 by Nathan P. on October 8th, 2007
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You say Ron Paul is promoting fear, but he is not. It is the elites in our nation trying to get us to fear terrorists. Ron Paul is promoting bravery and courage.
Terrorists are an impotent force. Fearing them is pointless and rather pathetic.
It is a sad, sad day when the great masses have been reduced to cowering before a tiny number of people with homemade explosives and AK47’s. Why do we cower? We, a nation which once won a Revolution against a force far better equipped, now hide in fear from a force not equipped at all.
We have forgotten self-defense so utterly that our only conception of it now is to send others to die in foreign lands.
#35 by bill gillen on October 8th, 2007
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Since when is taking the War too the enemy cowering in fear? Nobody is forcing Our Soldiers to go anywhere…they all joined The Military of their own free will. And you cannot support them…just criticize and berate them and their mission. Tell the family members who lost loved ones on 9/11 fearing these Terrorist Animals is “PATHETIC.” You Sir…are pathetic.