I WILL Support Ron Paul for President…if he gets The Republican Party Nomination. Read my words very careful….
My question to all you Ron Paul fools is this…Will you support The Republican who wins the nomination…if it is not Ron Paul?
My point is this; These Rabid Ron Paul Supports, will vote for him, even if they know he is a Third Party Candidate, and that it will divide The Republican vote… and knowing it will help Hillary Clinton get elected.
I will support whoever wins The Republican Party Nomination… But it ain’t gonna be somebody who wants to put an end to Our Military, and reduce them to nothing more than a Border Guard. This is Ron Pauls idea.
The Nomination won’t go to somebody that wants to stop providing Medical Care to Our Elderly and those in need. It won’t go to somebody who wants to Isolate America from the rest of The World.
So there it is…I’ll Support Ron Paul, if he wins The Nomination. Will you Support whoever wins The Republican Nomination? No…you won’t. Because those who support Ron Paul are all The Big Brother Conspiracy Nuts…. They really hate America, they fear a Government For The People, By The People. Ron Paul is not a Constitutionalist…he is an Isolationist.
#1 by vsync on October 2nd, 2007
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Since when is simply voting for the candidate you think is the best choice “rabid”?
You make the mistake of thinking that Ron Paul supporters care about parties. I know I don’t, just like George Washington suggested not to in his farewell address.
Why such antipathy toward the guy when all he’s going for is the Republican nomination?
I’m sure in the event Ron Paul doesn’t get the nomination some people will still vote Republican. Some will vote Democratic, some will write in Ron Paul, some will spoil their ballot, and some will stay home. I am sure many of these latter are genuine Republicans who feel their party has changed around them, and if it costs their party the election they will consider it a valid sacrifice in order to get the attention of the neoconservative policy-makers that have ignored them for so long now.
#2 by johnnyb on October 2nd, 2007
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Like you the party base will vote against Hillary, whoever it is, but the Republican Core does not have the support base to defeat Hillary on its own. The Republicans need allies to win this battle.
Popular opinion has already turned against the war, there’s nothing to stop that trend now. So making the Iraq war the key issue is going to be a loser deal for the Republican Party and we end up Clinton’s commie wife.
If the base of the Republican Party fails to recognize that it cannot win both the Iraq war and the election, and nominates a pro-war candidate to run for POTUS then they lose. Ron Paul is the only Republican that can win the General election, and spawn a large enough turnout so we do not lose even more seats in the House and the Senate.
It’ll be OK of we lose Iraq, but we will never recover if we lose the United States of America to the commie libs. The party has to comprimise or else we are headed for a serious disaster.
As far as whether or not I’ll support another Republican besides Ron Paul? Maybe, but I will not support Mitt, Rudy, or McCain and the rest of the field will have to convince me.
#3 by Cascadian on October 2nd, 2007
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You’re a Big Government troll. If you think the Constitution is an anachronism and you support Big Government, there’s already a place for you. Want some balls and military for global conquest? Try Hillary, she’s your girl.
I’d support any candidate from any party that prioritizes States rights. I’m not going to be a party lemming for anyone.
#4 by Samj on October 2nd, 2007
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I am not a Republican, I am a Conservative. I will not waste my vote on a Republican who is not a conservative, when I can vote for Dr. Paul and show my support for real conservativism, even if it’s just to make a statement to the Republican party.
If Hillary Clinton is elected because the Republican party failed to nominate a Conservative, my conscience will be clear as I pull the lever for Ron Paul… even if I’m writing his name in.
The bottom line: I am voting for Ron Paul no matter what.
#5 by bill gillen on October 2nd, 2007
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Rabid is how I describe Ron Pauls Supporters. I’ve never seen a group of people so venomous in their comments. It is simply juvenile. Thank You for proving my point. Your hate for The Republican Party is showing much. The Republican Party freed the slaves…and now you hate them.
#6 by bill gillen on October 2nd, 2007
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You make me sick. Your glee and hopefullness that Our Military lose makes me want to vomit. You are dope smoking hippy scum.
#7 by bill gillen on October 2nd, 2007
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I support the Party that freed the slaves…The Republican Party.
#8 by bill gillen on October 2nd, 2007
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Thank You for proving my point. Your hate for The Republican Party is so great, you will vote for Ron Paul knowing it will really help elect Hillary.
#9 by Kevin Houston on October 2nd, 2007
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No.
It’s Ron Paul or Hillary – your choice.
“He who can destroy a thing, controls that thing.”
– Maud ‘Dib in Frank Herbert’s Dune.
#10 by TJ on October 2nd, 2007
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“Ron Paul is not a Constitutionalist…he is an Isolationist.”
- “Ron Paul is the Thomas Jefferson of our time.” – Judge Andrew Napolitano
http://www.thedavidallenshow.com/website/podcasts/Entries/2007/9/20_Judge_Andrew_Napolitano_-_%22Nation_of_Sheep%22_and_Ron_Paul_for_President.html
#11 by Hotchney on October 2nd, 2007
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I will vote for the republican unless it is Rudy. Anyone who votes for Rudy must have an IQ below 50.
#12 by bill gillen on October 2nd, 2007
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Wow. We pretty much agree. I’m not a Rudy fan either. But, I’ll vote for whoever wins The Republican Nomination. If it is Ron Paul…I WILL vote for him. I’m being honest. It does amaze me, these same Anti-American Conspiracy Nuts will quickly turn on Ron Paul once he is Elected. The reports will start coming out that Ron Paul is part of The New World Order…and they’ll turn on him like snakes. It is really just because their whole world is fantasy…a fantasy that they are so important…the Government is out to get them. It’s really kinda funny. Thank You for your honesty. You are a thinking person.
#13 by Kevin Houston on October 2nd, 2007
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Bill,
I don’t think you fully understand the situation you are in here.
Our course is set. We will *not* deviate. We are not the ones who are choosing Hillary and the Democrats.
You are. *We* are choosing the Republican, Ron Paul. If you support someone else, then _*you*_ are splitting the party – not us.
You still have the option to avoid Hillary, you can choose to help Ron Paul get the GOP nomination.
I suggest you hold your nose and vote Ron Paul. We held our collective noses, and voted Dubya last time.
Now it’s your turn.
#14 by bill gillen on October 2nd, 2007
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I proudly voted for GW, and I think he has done a great job. The Stock Market is at a record high, unemployment is at a record low, and Freedom is on the march. God Bless America.
#15 by bill gillen on October 2nd, 2007
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Also, if Ron Paul runs as a Third Party Candidate, his intention will be to help Hillary get elected. The outlandish proposals he subscribes too, most thinking Americans will not support. It is my belief he really just intends to play this out as a Straw Dog Candidate to help Hillary get elected.
#16 by Hotchney on October 2nd, 2007
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Sir, if you really think GW is doing a good job, you are horribly mistaken. Thanks to people like you and GW, people like me will have to pay off your extravagant deficits, pay for your healthcare, your social security and all kinds of things like that because your generation didn’t have the sense to balance a checkbook, save some money and decided it would be more fun to run around the world nationbuilding while we get to front the bill.
I used to think GW was a decent president and that only history will tell. I now think he is a terrible president although history can prove me wrong.
#17 by Kevin Houston on October 2nd, 2007
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Ron Paul is not going to run 3rd party. He has said so quite plainly.
Been there; done that; got the T-shirt and the bumper stickers to prove it.
The deck is stacked against 3rd party candidates, and Ron Paul knows that better than anyone.
If Ron Paul were running as a 3rd party candidate, I wouldn’t be contributing a dime. I’d vote for him, sure, but that would be all the support I’d bother giving. Anything else would be wasted.
As a Republican, however, the stacked deck is stacked in his favor. If you want to understand where my wild enthusiasm comes from, there it is.
Later.
#18 by bill gillen on October 2nd, 2007
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At last count I’ve paid in over $54,000 dollars to Social Security. And now you tell me YOU are going to have to pay my way??? I’ve been working and paying into the system since I was 13 years old…and now YOU are going to say YOU will have to pay my way. As far ass Nation Building; when The French sent their ships to help us when we fought England for this Country…were The French “Nation Building?” Or were they “helping an oppressed people?” The words you choose clearly show you listen to alot of Left Wing Talk Radio….like “Scare America” (Air America) If you can’t admit the stock market is at a record high, and unemployment is lower now than in the last 20 years, you’re not being honest. I’m proud of America, and proud to be an American. I’d like to see all people of the world living in freedom before my life is over.
#19 by bill gillen on October 2nd, 2007
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What he has said, and what he will do could be two different things. I predict he will run as a Third Party Candidate…to help Hillary get Elected.
#20 by Kevin Houston on October 2nd, 2007
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No way.
On that, I will bet a six-pack of whatever beer you care to drink.
#21 by Hotchney on October 2nd, 2007
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Well sure you’ve paid in but its not enough. You know that. I know that. Let’s not play silly. Most people realize that when the baby boomer all come of age, we’re going to have an entitlement crisis. To deny this is to display the utmost stupidity.
These aren’t liberal talking points at all. Why do you think Bush pushed for privatized social security? Why is our debt so high? Why is the dollar so weak? Sure, we’re in a boom now but we are living on borrowed time, beyond our means. And yes, I will be one of the people who gets nothing out of social security because no one bothered to do the math.
#22 by bill gillen on October 3rd, 2007
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You’ve listened to all those cry babies that don’t like paying into the system. Social Security hass been raised again and again. I’ve got 15 more years to pay into the system, and likely will have paid in close to $100,000. They say my benefits will only be $1,350 per month. That figures out to about 6 1/2 years; by then I’ll be 72 years old. I doubt if I’ll live that long anyway, as I’ve worked so hard all my life. You complain about taking care of the old people. You complain about helping the poor. You make me sick. Maybe something will happen to change your mind on these issues. As far as Social Security failing, that isn’t going to happen. If they had to put a .01 cent a gallon tax on gas, it would clear that problem up anyway. Sure, there are some adjustments that are going to have to be made, and maybe some changes…but it will be there for you and I when it is time. God Bless America.
#23 by bill gillen on October 3rd, 2007
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He WILL run as a third party, and you WILL vote for him…knowing fullwell it is helping a Leftist Liberal like Hillary Clinton get elected. Much more is at stack here…than a six pack of beer!!!
#24 by Hotchney on October 3rd, 2007
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Crybabies? You mean the CONSERVATIVES who hate big government? Bill, you need to understand the difference between conservative, neoconservative, liberal and neoliberal before you again call yourself a conservative. Ron Paul is a conservative. I am a conservative. You are a neoconservative (which really isn’t even conservative). George Bush is a neoconservative.
Also, social security is unconstitutional. As is medicare. As is medicaid. I believe in the constitution and a foreign policy that promotes our countries best interests. Neoconservatives believe in entitlements and an interventionist foreign policy that promotes morality.
How do you continually call yourself conservative when you’re a big government hack?
#25 by Kevin Houston on October 3rd, 2007
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Bill,
I see no reason to prefer a liberal like Rudy Giuliani, over a neocon like Hillary Clinton. These two candidates, more than any others, epitomize the blending of the two parties into the Tweedle party (Dee and Dum) They pretend to snipe at each other over supposed differences, but when it comes time to pass a law, they act in concert, to pull our Repulic in the same direction – increased government control at home, and increased militarism abroad.
If, for the sake of argument, the GOP nominates Giuliani, and Ron Paul is nominated by the Constitution party, then yes, I would vote for him. I think he is the best candidate. Certainly Ron Paul is a better Republican than Giuliani by any measure. (Foreign adventurism and UN nation building are *not* Republican values.)
Again: If we are going to have socialism in this country, I would rather that people associate it with the Democrats, than with the Republicans.
But Ron Paul will not seek that nomination, and if nominated, he will not actively campaign, nor would I donnate time or money. If the GOP nominee is Duncan Hunter, or Tom Tancredo, then I might be persuaded to vote GOP but if it’s Frudy McRompson – fuggitaboutit.
If you fear Hillary that much (and I agree there is much to fear) then I suggest you work toward healing the rifts within the GOP. The only way to do that now, is to nominate Ron Paul.
Then, we can all be friends and vote GOP with a clear conscience in Nov. ‘08, and Hillary can go down in flames she deserves.
Later.
#26 by Gabriel on October 3rd, 2007
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Hey not to start something up or anything but would someone explain to me why Rudy is not a good canidate? I honestly dont know. I havent heard much about him so I kinda out of the loop. Enlighten me.
#27 by Kevin Houston on October 3rd, 2007
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Well for starters, he’s for public funding of abortions.
He’s a gun grabber who lead the lawsuit against the gun manufacturers while he was mayor of NYC.
He also declared NYC a “sancuary City” and said NYC would “Welcome illegal immigrants.”
There’s three, and I haven’t even gotten into his personal life – the so-called “wierdness factor”
Giuliani has only 2 things going for him
1) name recognition, as Mayor during 9-11, he has become a house-hold name. this works to his advantage during telephone surveys.
2) To be fair, he is a tax-cutter – but his main reasoning for that is because it raises more money so he can be a big spender.
This is the #1 reason why I say you can’t trust Plain old telephone surveys this early in the cycle. Any poll that suggests Giuliani will be acceptable to the majority (or even a plurality) of GOP faithful is either more crooked than a Lousiana Senator with a freezer full of cash, or (more likely) the poll is measuring the wrong thing.
In any case, if you do a little bit of digging ( http://www.oppodepot.com
) you will find all sorts of interesting information.
Later
#28 by Hotchney on October 3rd, 2007
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I actually wrote a short piece against Guiliani. Here’s some reasons I won’t vote for him.
America’s Mayor, as he is fondly referred to, is a republican. On Sept. 11th, Rudy won much acclaim for his heroic leadership; he cemented himself in the American political psyche. But how did he do this? The better question is, why is Rudy a Republican? And the best question yet: why are some republicans coalescing around him, propelling him to the republican nomination?
“I want public funding for abortions.” – Rudy Giuliani
Many people point to Rudy’s liberal social views as reasons he shouldn’t be in the republican party. I won’t bother listing out his various transgression – I don’t want to blow my word count all at once. While Mitt Romney sees his children doing a great service to this country by helping his campaign, Rudy can’t even get his children to endorse his candidacy. If the people who know Rudy won’t endorse him, why should we?
“Illegal immigration is not a crime.”
While Rudy may aspire to a bilingual America, I do not. Nor do many republicans or many democrats for that matter. We all know Rudy is soft on illegal immigration. Is this something we as republicans can look past? I hope not.
“Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.”
We supposedly live in the land of the free. Is this who we want leading the free world? Someone who doesn’t even understand the concept of freedom? Has the republican party really become the party of the southern democrats during the cvil rights movement? A party that does not understand the concept of freedom? Martin Luther King was a republican because this party was founded in freedom and for freedom. Not, as Rudy would have it, for fascism and the expansion of the state. Check out his record in NY for more on that.
Besides not understanding freedom, he seems to have forgotten to read the second amendment, or perhaps the whole constitution. He has no respect for gun rights, a mainstay of the republican party. Are we republicans willing to elect another president who has no respect for gun rights and no understanding of the role of the president under the constitution?
I am so befuddled as to why so many republicans look to Rudy as their savior. Is it really about security? Are people so worried about Islamofascism that they think electing another RINO will put an end to the crecent terror? Are people so taken by his performance on 9/11 that they think he will vanquish Islamfascism? Please. Anyways, what did he do on 9/11 that anyone else wouldn’t have done? Riddle me that, o ye Rudy-lovers.
Why is Rudy a republican? I’m still not sure. Maybe you can enlighten me.
#29 by bill gillen on October 4th, 2007
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You don’t have to be against public funding for some medical procedures to be a Republican. Anyone who knows me, would tell you I’m very Republican; and I don’t want too see abortion outlawed. I think abortion is a terrible thing, and I’ve written blogs about it. But, I would like to see Partial Birth Abortion outlawed. This is between a Woman, her Doctor and her God…who am I too tell her what to do?
#30 by bill gillen on October 4th, 2007
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If Hillary is Elected, she will appoint Bill Clinton to the UN, and he will quickly be voted in as Leader of The UN. The Hillary will run America and Bill will Rule The World. Hillary said as much about two years ago in an interview. I like Fred Thompson, and I don’t agree with your simple-mindedness that a little Texas Troll like Ron Paul is the only answer. Ron Paul will not get The Republican Nomination. He knows it and has known it all along. He is just trying to help divide the Republican vote and help Hillary get elected. Vote Fred Thompson…it is the only way to heal America. (see how juvenile that sounds?)
#31 by bill gillen on October 4th, 2007
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I believe in about 95% of what Republican Conservatives believe in. I am a Compassionate Conservative. Do you think it was a Conservative issue to end Slavery? Keeping the Slaves in chains was the “Conservative” thought at that time. All this NEO bullshit is just labels that you try to use too manipulate the mind. It will not work with me…you sound like a “Neo-Moron”; now, does that change your mind? No, it doesn’t. Maybe someday when you grow up, and your Parents grow old, you will see there is a need for help them and the children of the poor. It is Republicans like you, that make us all look bad. You are selfish and uncompassionate. It makes me sick.
#32 by Hotchney on October 4th, 2007
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Well, the fact that he’s for public funding speaks volumes. Such a difficult issue should never be funded by federal money (not to mention it’s unconstitutional).
And I disagree with you about it being a right to choose. We give a fetus the same legal protection and inheritance rights as anyone else. If you kill a pregnant woman, it counts as two acts of aggression.
Whatever the case, this is a states issue.
#33 by Kevin Houston on October 4th, 2007
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What really gets me about Giuliani’s abortion position is his reasoning.
He says that if it is a matter of a “right”, and if lack of money would prevent someone from exercising their “right”, then the Government should fund it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZe1j4csMq8
My question is this: Does that apply to the 2nd Amendment as well? If lack of money is preventing me from exercising my right to keep and bear arms, then can I apply for public funding to buy a Saturday night special? Should we have “welfare guns”? What about my right to freedom of speech and to publish newspapers? Should there be government printing presses to help me publish the news?
Also, listen to Giuliani misquote the president’s oath of office.
(starts at 4:45)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdDQhSQrAkM
He says “That’s why we have a president, and that’s why he takes the oath of office to preseve and protect the United States of America.”
But that isn’t the oath of office. The oath of office is to preserve and protect *THE CONSTITUTION OF* the United States of America.
In short, I think Giuliani would wipe his a$$ on the Constitution if given the chance.
Later
#34 by Kevin Houston on October 4th, 2007
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Well Bill,
I’m not the only one who is talking about voting third party if Giuliani is nominated. I suppose you will now call Chuck Baldwin a pot-smoking hippie who hates America.
http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin404.htm
“Let me say it plainly: a Hillary Clinton administration would be no worse than a Rudy Giuliani administration. In some ways, it might not be as bad. At least, with a Democrat in the White House, conservatives might try to act like conservatives and muster the energy to actually oppose some of her liberal proposals.
The record is clear: when a Republican is in the White House, conservatives not only lose their backbone, they also lose their brain cells. They walk around in a daze without the ability to even see what is going on right before their eyes. They become “mind-numbed robots” with no commitment to principle whatsoever. Why? Because one of “their own” is in office. At that point, it becomes a “see no evil, hear no evil, and speak no evil” situation. If two George W. Bush administrations have taught us anything, they have taught us that.
Of course, there are pseudo-conservatives who will argue that Giuliani [addemndum by Kevin: or Thompson] is better than Hillary, because he will not be as prone to raise taxes as Hillary would be. These are the Rockefeller Republicans who could not care less about the murder of unborn babies, or the destruction of the American family, or whether any citizen maintains the right to keep and bear arms, or whether U.S. sovereignty is surrendered, or whether our country is led by a modern Napoleon, or whether America is merged into a North American Union, or whether illegal aliens are granted citizenship, ad infinitum. The only thing they care about is their pocketbook. They are piranhas who only want to manipulate politics to feed their own selfish and greedy interests. They would vote for the devil himself, if he promised them more money.”
Later.
#35 by bill gillen on October 4th, 2007
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I am no sheep. How other people vote does not matter too me. People need to think about the issues, and then decide for themselves. I don’t know Chuck Baldwin, have never met him…but if he wrote to me with the same tone as you do, I would think he’d been smokin the wacky weed… You think because somebody is a Minister they don’t smoke pot, drink and have sex? Read the paper sometime.
#36 by bill gillen on October 4th, 2007
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You see it as a States Issue. I see it as a Human Issue. I HATE abortion, but what any woman does with her body is none of my business. I do believe Partial Birth Abortion should be outlawed. You want to DEMAND woman carry a child to term, and then you don’t care whether the child has health care or food to eat. What the hell is that about anyway.
#37 by bill gillen on October 4th, 2007
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You think??? I think Ron Paul would wipe his ass with this whole country. I’ve never seen such an ass run for President…He reminds me of Pat Paulson; and he ran as a joke. How Ron Paul ever got elected to Congress is beyond me. But I’ll bet he not only doesn’t win the Presidency, but he will NOT be re-elected in Texas. People from Texas are not that stupid, now that he has let his ignorance be known, Texas now knows he is a Conspiracy Moron. This will be his last term in Congress.
#38 by Hotchney on October 4th, 2007
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Well, I’d say the people of Texas aren’t stupid; Paul’s been in congress for over 20 years.
#39 by Hotchney on October 4th, 2007
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I’m really amazed by your lack of respect for our constitution.
#40 by bill gillen on October 4th, 2007
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Oh…because I don’t support your choice for President, I don’t “respect” the constitution??? Do you realize how moronic you sound? It amazes me how uncompassionate and ignorant you are. Shouldn’t you be eating ice cream infront of starving children or something? Or maybe beating up old people who are trying to fill a prescription using medicare? You are a real piece of work. Because I don’t like Ron Paul, you want to infringe on my Freedom of Speech…and then claim you “defend” the constitution??? You’re a joke.
#41 by Hotchney on October 4th, 2007
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I’m a joke? Oh, I couldn’t care less if you don’t support Ron Paul. But to not care about the constitution?
You’re the disgusting one. An ignorant dullard who couldn’t care less about who’s paying for his government healthcare, someone who couldn’t care less about future generations will pay for your mess. Did you know we’re borrowing 2-3 billion dollars a day just to finance your lazy ass? You want everyone else to work while you sit at home watching TV, popping the oxycontin the taxpayers bought for you. People like you think only of the present and never of how this country will be 50 years down the line. Grow up and stop being so selfish. The Soviets proved central planning doesn’t work. Do you really want to turn back the clock?
#42 by Kevin Houston on October 4th, 2007
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Since when is it selfish to want to keep what you have earned?
I always thought selfishness was wanting someone else’s stuff.
For someone who claims to be a liberal hater, you sure spend a lot of time praising liberal ideas, and deriding conservative ones.
Well, I have wasted enough of my life here. I’m sure it will break your heart that I won’t come play with you anymore.
Good bye.
#43 by bill gillen on October 5th, 2007
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Though I don’t have to explain myself to you I will. I work between 60 and 70 hours EVERY WEEK. And because I work where I do, I’m drug tested at least once a month…sometimes twice or more. You on the other hand, had if I recall correctly, two parents who were Doctors. They surely paid your way through College, and now you think you are so much better than everyone else. If you don’t like what someone says about your Texas Troll, you berate them and call them names. You are so childish, and very ignorant. It is sad, because I was starting to grow fond of your writing. Now, I think I’ll ignore you. As you think you are the only one who should have Freedom of Speech and Expression. I wish you the best of luck. I will ignore whatever you write from now on, if it is just going to be more of the same. Feel free to write, if you can do so as a mature adult. You don’t know me any more than I know you. I’d be curious to know when the last time you were drug tested.
#44 by bill gillen on October 5th, 2007
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People like you amaze me. You think being a Republican and a Conservative is someone who has no compassion. You seem to think only YOU are a Conservative, and anyone who does not agree with you on every issue…is just not a Conservative. It is people like you who give Republicans and Conservatives a bad name. You do not care about the children of the poor, or the elderly who helped make this Country great. Kiss my ass.